My arm in guillotine became so much better after I watched Josh Hinger’s dvd the Hingertine. I literally had never finished the arm in guillotine before I watched his dvd, and now I finish it all the time.
And it’s not like I just hadn’t done the arm in guillotine before. I actually have a very good normal guillotine, and I’ve tried to get the arm in guillotine into my system for a few years already. I also already watched literally all the Youtube videos on the arm in guillotine, but the details they gave never helped me out. Somehow though, Josh’s details clicked and now I actually prefer the arm in guillotine over the normal guillotine, because it offers greater control.
who is josh hinger? does he do the arm in guillotine?
Josh Hinger is a high level bjj and grappling competitor with 22 guillotine submissions on his BJJ Heroes record, which is much more than any other competitor. For your reference, Marcelo Garcia, who is also famous for introducing the high elbow guillotine or ‘Marcelotine’, only has 8 guillotine submissions on his record.
(Note that Josh’s record states that of those 22 guillotines, only 5 of them were arm in, but that’s actually a bit misleading. As Josh explains in his instructional dvd, he always goes for the arm in guillotine. Often however, opponents try to roll out of it and he ends up finishing the guillotine with only 1 arm from mount – in which case it’s counted as an arm out guillotine. But of course, the opponent only rolled back to mount because he was getting choked by the arm in guillotine from the bottom…)
what is 'the hingertine'? is it just an arm in guillotine?
Largely yes. Josh Hinger uses coined the term ‘Hingertine’ to differentiate his version of the arm in guillotine from other versions. But, in his DVD he actually never uses the term ‘Hingertine’, but instead just says things like ‘The way that I like to set up my particular style of the arm in guillotine…’.
So Hingertine is just Josh Hinger’s version of the arm in guillotine.
how to do the arm in guillotine
To do the arm in guillotine you need to be able to do three things:
- Enter into the arm in guillotine
- React to common defenses against the arm in guillotine
- Finish the arm in guillotine
Josh Hinger explains how to do all these things in his instructional DVD. In this article I try to summarize what he teaches. I start with the question of how to finish the arm in guillotine, because I know that’s the area that most people have the biggest problem with.
How to finish the arm in guillotine
Josh Hinger explains a lot of details about how to finish the arm in guillotine. There are too many for me to sum up here, but the most important ones are:
- Get a shallow chin strap grip with your thumb knuckle right on the side of their trachea.
- Pull and pinch their head to your hip as if you’re holding a football.
- You need to fold their head over your grip. To do so you must crunch their head into their chest. To do this effectively you can’t be in front of them, you need to be almost on their side (this is true both when you’re in guard and from mount).
For me the most important detail is that I need to be even more on their side than I think, in order to effectively collapse their head to their chest. I must do this both when finishing the arm in guillotine from guard and from mount.
From guard this means that I make a big hip escape using a forward shrimp so that I end up with my chest on the side of my opponent, and I throw my leg far over their back to stabilize the position.
From mount it means that I should have all of my weight on one knee, while push off the mat with the foot of my other leg, so that I twist my opponent on his side. Ideally, my knee is down on the side where I have the arm trapped, so that my opponent can only move towards the side where his head is trapped, which tightens the choke.
How to set up the arm in guillotine
In his instructional dvd Hinger shows how to set up the arm in guillotine from various positions: standing, closed guard, situp guard, butterfly guard, dela riva, half guard, half guard bottom, headquarter, side control, mount, and turtle.
I think this is really one of the strengths of the arm in guillotine: you can set it up from almost any where.
Arm in guillotine defense counters
The main defense against the arm in guillotine is passing to the side where your head isn’t trapped. If people try this, you let go with your supporting hand and base behind you, and do a technical stand up as they pass to your side. From this standing position you still have the chin strap, so you can slide back in to your favorite guard to finish the arm in guillotine.
If you can’t do the technical stand up because they’re pressuring you too hard, you can fall to bottom north south to roll under them, while turning their chin towards the direction you’re rolling them.
The other defenses against the arm in guillotine involve your opponent doing a forward roll or a roll to his side, in which case you just try to follow them and come on top to finish the arm in guillotine from there.
is the arm in guillotine an air choke or blood choke (strangle)?
The arm in guillotine is an air choke for sure, as it heavily pressures the trachea. The question is whether or not it’s also a strangle (or blood choke).
I’ve searched very hard to find videos of people getting choked out by the arm in guillotine. I couldn’t find very many because most people tap very quickly to the arm in guillotine. However, I found this one:
And I found one more arm in guillotine choke that put someone to sleep (or maybe it’s a very shallow Japanese neck tie, but these techniques are similar enough for our purpose):
Since both of these videos illustrate someone getting choked unconscious by an arm in guillotine very quickly, this means that the arm in guillotine is a blood choke at least sometimes.
Another argument in favor of the arm in guillotine being a blood choke is that Josh Hinger taps high level opponents with it quickly, also in high stakes matches. I believe that if his opponents could hold out longer before tapping they would, given the high stakes and their toughness. So the fact that they tap quickly suggest that they would pass out if they didn’t.
Mechanically, I think that the arm in guillotine cuts off the arteries on both sides, just because it’s an incredibly powerful choke hold that cuts off your whole neck. So even if the pressure comes in primarily on one side of the neck, I think it just mushes through all the way to the other side because it’s so powerful.
The Hingertine by Josh Hinger is a great instructional DVD. It’s much shorter and cheaper than most DVDs nowadays, and I like that. Although I can also greatly appreciate bigger DVDs that show entire systems, sometimes you just don’t need all that. Not every DVD needs to be an entire system or explain every move in jiu jitsu.
So if you have problems finishing the arm in guillotine, I can definitely recommend the Hingertine DVD.